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新移民来温莎合适否？

想来加拿大，现不知该选择哪个城市，请教新移民来温莎合适否？温莎的房价现是多少啊，10多万能买house么？

It depends. is 100K RMB or Canadian dollars?

Hello

这里的生活费用相对来说是低的,若想买房子,那得看你的标准

Immigration! I am not so sure. It all depends on what you are going to do in Canada.

The fact is that Windsor is the best place in Ontario to purchase a house. You can find a house in Windsor for 100K CDN but not in Toronto (At least double that amount). For a normal family, they only need to spend 35 % of income for the house, but compare to Toronto is 50%.

For Jobs, Windsor has the highest unemployment rate in Ontario. But on the other hand, you can try to find a job in Detroit and live in Windsor. I know a lot of friends doing that.
For life style, Windsor is a quiet city. We do not have any night life here.
For studying, it is a good place since you do not have a lot of place to go.
For traveling to USA. Windsor is s a city near Detroit. Around 20 minutes, you can be in the USA.

General facts compare: Windsor VS Toronto

Food: Toronto is cheaper
Housing: Windsor is cheaper
Salary (professional jobs): Toronto is higher
Traffic (public transit): Toronto is better
Traffic (driving): Windsor is better
Insurance: Windsor is cheaper
Studying: Windsor is better
Employment rate: Toronto is better
Shopping: Toronto is better

Many thanks for all your inforamtion.

My LG's major is automotive engineering, and we both work for automotive component company in Shanghai.  My questions are following:

1. Monthly cost for a small family (my daughter is 3 years old)
2. We plan to come Windsor 3 years later, could you give us some suggestion on what we should do/learn more now? (we are 27 years old)

Thank you very much!

Annie:)

比起多伦多温莎真的是理想选择
   安全 物价低 真的不错
       不过10w买house比较悬

俺还是prefer ToronToooo......

因为有很多人说汉语。。。。

我认为这里会很快发展起来的，这里真的有很大的商业市场

[quote]原帖由 [i]alexdong[/i] 于 2006-11-2 02:31 发表
Many thanks for all your inforamtion.

My LG's major is automotive engineering, and we both work for automotive component company in Shanghai.  My questions are following:

1. Monthly cost fo ... [/quote]

(1) Monthly estimation:

Car insurance: 150-250 depends on your driver license
Rental + utilities: 600-1000 (depends on the size of the house) + 250 - 400 (vary b/c of market rate on gas and electricity)
Food: 350
Travel by bus: 20-100 (depends on how many ticket you need or monthly pass
Travel by car (gas): 80-150 (depends on how far you need to travel)
Misc. expense: 150-300
Phone: 50
Internet: 50
Cable for TV: 60

All cost listed upper are rough estimate. Some may apply to you and some may not.

In that case, you are looking for around $1500 a month.

(2) I would recommend you improve your English. Your salary really depends on your English level. If you have high education in China, but you are very bad in English. You cannot get back to your professional field. You must be well prepared to speak and write fluent English.

回复 #5 alexdong 的帖子

Major in Automotive engineering? Windsor may be a good choice as it is close to Detroit, a Motor city.
may find a job in Detroit.

[quote]原帖由 [i]Smartpo[/i] 于 2006-11-2 11:35 发表


(1) Monthly estimation:

Car insurance: 150-250 depends on your driver license
Rental + utilities: 600-1000 (depends on the size of the house) + 250 - 400 (vary b/c of market rate on gas a ... [/quote]

Thank you, Smartpo. Since we have no relatives and freind in Ca, your information are very precious for us.

Below are three situation for our new life preparation  

1. Funds - okay: $1800X24MX7.5=324K rmb  (base on currunt famiy income, we can save 10K rmb per month for 3 years )

2.English - not good but in slow improving:  Although we both work for foreign company and use English sometimes, language is still our first barriers to get good life in Canada, so we prepare funds to get more time for language learning and new life adjustment.  

3.Body health - okay: But we have no experience to do labour work, do I need learn some skill like cooking, haircut from now ? or to get some working experience in surpermarket, KFC, McDonald before land ?

I'd like to get good preparation for this immigration planning, because don't wanna my family suffur too much pain during the life transition. 看到网上有些案例，小家庭因为移民刚开始的生活反差太大，精神上受痛苦太大而分解．吓人！:knock: :frighten:

[quote]原帖由 [i]windsorland[/i] 于 2006-11-2 12:54 发表
Major in Automotive engineering? Windsor may be a good choice as it is close to Detroit, a Motor city.
may find a job in Detroit. [/quote]

could you pls advise more details of job position? my LG's title is account manager, doing sales +tech. support+program coordinator.

Program transition/operation is his direction.These years many foreign automotive component company set Asia Pacific center in Shanghai and move production line to China.

Annie

[quote]原帖由 [i]鱼人娃娃[/i] 于 2006-11-2 09:19 发表
因为有很多人说汉语。。。。 [/quote]

娃娃，你好！

我现在还在上海．温莎的中国女性的日常生活是怎样的呢？　

是否和我想象的一样呢，读书，照顾家庭，做 part time?　我一象认为女生有时更坚强并且更仔细一点．

问了大家好多问题，不好意思．有什么大家对上海感趣的问题我也会尽量回复的．:loveliness:

安妮

[quote]原帖由 [i]alexdong[/i] 于 2006-11-2 20:58 发表


Thank you, Smartpo. Since we have no relatives and freind in Ca, your information are very precious for us.

Below are three situation for our new life preparation  

1. Funds - okay: $18 ... [/quote]

Friends? Don't worry, you can always meet new one here. May be I am the first one you meet here too? Who knows? We have members from different part of China. There is a chance that you meet someone from 上海 too.

(1) Since I do not came from Main land, I am not familiar the exchange rate. Therefore I have not idea how much you will have after 3 years in CDN, May be you can tell me a little bit more details.

(2) Good! Working on a foreign company may help u find a job here because Canadians only know those big companies. Your writing seems ok. I think you may need to focus on speaking, listening and reading. The first 2 will be the priority.

(3) Health? You have most of the health coverage from the government. It is the citizenship's right to have basic health coverage. It is free to see the doctor - I mean once you landed here. You only need to pay for the medicines yourself. I do not think you need to do labor work, since you have experience working on English speaking environment. Most of the labor jobs are for the Chinese who can not speak fluent English. Plus labor work in China will not help you get a good job here. Cooking yes, since going out to eat can cost you a lot here. Haircut is option. There is nothing bad to know it. I learn to cut the hair for myself here.

Bad Case? Yes. We have a lot. It was because they are not prepared. They think living in Canada should be easy. Canadian money should be good compare to China. The truth is that the money you earn here, you need to spend here too. The cheapest hamburger is CDN$1.90 (Whopper in Wednesday - Burger King). Base on that you can compare the live expense in China. It is a total different story. Plus we have high tax rate too. I am paying 25% of my income every year. It still does not include the tax when you buy stuff. (14%)

Everyone lives here have a tough life. Good jobs are for good English speaking people. No matter you are professional or not, there is not guarantee that you can find a good paid job which is same as before (in China). I will not recommend you to come over, if you cannot communicate with other people (in English).

PS. By the time you are leaving China, remember ask for reference letter from you superior. It may help you get a jobs here.

Reference posting for you:

[url]http://windsor8.com/bbs/thread-383-1-1.html[/url]

[quote]原帖由 [i]Smartpo[/i] 于 2006-11-3 01:06 发表
Reference posting for you:

[url]http://windsor8.com/bbs/thread-383-1-1.html[/url] [/quote]

Got it. Thank you, PO.

Annie (^@^)

回复 #13 alexdong 的帖子

First the big picture of automotive here is not great recently. '3 Big' and their suppliers have big job cuts due to lose market shares and outsourcings. Especially blue collar jobs in auto manufacturers. Some plants in Windsor and US had been closed or will be closed also. The lower house price and buyer market in Detroit and Windsor reflect this situation also.

However, there are still many opportunities over there. For instance R&D, warranty, technical supports, program managements, etc.

For your case, based on your brief descriptions, your husband's background is good. Due to outsourcing to China or India, may find some opportunities match your LG's background too.
I think you can feel positive about that, and given that your husband's English is not bad.
Another thing I can see from your posts is that you plan things early. That is really good.

Regarding the living cost, it also depends on how much you want to spend, it could be less $1500/month for a family with one kid I believe.  

If you can support your family by saving for about, let say, one year, do not do the labor job if you want to have a professional job. Otherwise you may lose your passion, energy, ambitions, and most importantly focus. I know some friends did that. By the way, I do respect labor jobs. All make livings. But my point here is that if you want a better one.

Good luck.

My ten cents.

回复 #18 windsorland 的帖子

Windorsland, thank you. Feel Windors is a better place to us. :)))

About jobs in automotive, the market here in Shanghai is greatly growing these years by investment from big foreign automotive components company. And one thing need to be noted that the most of managerment are foreigners, or foreign citizen of Chinese origin.

BTW, how long have you been in Windsor? and what's the meaning of "my ten cents"?

Annie :doubt:

回复 #19 alexdong 的帖子

I heard about tha in Shanghai too.

It's just my opinion for reference only, so it is valued as 'my ten cents' only :)
Be positive, but also please be advised, there are some white-collar job cuts in Detroit area too. Anyways if you are good enough you are still needed somewhere.

百分百感谢～

ＬＧ非常positive:lol ,我相反:z ．　
＂some white-collar job cuts in Detroit area＂以前没想到，也不知道．谢谢提醒！

in fact, yes, there are some white-collar job cuts. Just as I mentioned the whole picture is not good.
My last email gave some bright points. now give you some other sides of job market in Detreoit. Not try to scare you :)
Here are the news from newspaper.
--------------------------
Ford Motor Co. plans to accelerate its scheduled 30,000 job cuts in North America by four years.

GM plans to cut 30,000 U.S. jobs
General Motors plants in Oshawa and St. Catharines, Ont., will shut down as the automaker announced Monday it will close or cut back 12 North American facilities and slash 30,000 jobs as part of a plan to return to profitability.

Visteon reports $177 million third-quarter loss; 900 job cuts expected
Delphi bankruptcy.....
-----------------
However, as I mention before, there are still some opportunities there. in order to make you positive, here is a job post I found on the website. :), just give you some ideas.
[url]http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=49049311[/url]

You are very nice to search and post the information for us. I have printed it out. The job description is in accorndace with LG's direction, almost the same kind of work he is doing here in China for a foreign manufacture.

LG is a smart sunshine boy in my eyes. But he is  not work hard enough sometimes, that's why I doubt if we are good enough. Last year after 3 trips to USA, he raised the idea to apply CA immigration, and I agreed.

作为独生子女，并且已经有了下一代，we are planning to get 3 or more years independent living experience in CA to know & fullfill our life. Will be bitter-sweet?  Anyway, fluent English is the first key to a good start.  

Thank you very much!
Annie =(^@^)=

[quote]原帖由 [i]alexdong[/i] 于 2006-11-2 20:58 发表


Thank you, Smartpo. Since we have no relatives and freind in Ca, your information are very precious for us.

Below are three situation for our new life preparation  

1. Funds - okay: $18 ... [/quote]


for the job, maybe I can give you some info. only for reference. I am receiving some training about vehicle in Windsor now. as I got from my Canadia colleague , it's hard , much , very ...to find one 'white collar' job, ...., pls. carefully .....very much ....do more investigation for the country situation before you immigrant.
   Windsor , it's a totally different culture with shanghai  ( I am from shanghai too).   think it twice , pls.
at least , I think the" moon(job moon)" in Windsor for sure is not shine than in shanghai. ...very much...

another Detroit is not a good location for " white collar" job position.

and if you can save more than 10K in shanghai per month , you would have a better too much living level than Windsor.

各有所见。只供参考。

电脑也间歇性神经了。。

居然同文发了两次。。。

[[i] 本帖最后由 qgq99 于 2006-11-18 18:04 编辑 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]wanxuening[/i] 于 2006-11-2 09:31 发表
我认为这里会很快发展起来的，这里真的有很大的商业市场 [/quote]


？？？？？？何以见得?您是指哪方面?

干汽车的真的在这好找工作吗? 我不了解，不过凭感觉来这想继续当工程师的会失望的。或许跟汽车彻底没关系的行业才好找工作。

如果痛恨上海的喧闹，那就来这吧。否则还是上海好。

不得不提醒一下

那个考虑移民的上海妹妹:

1，生活费用不是大问题。要活下来不难，无非是生活层次问题。中国人不会在这儿饿死冻死，营养不良都难。(可能会闷死) 所以不要太专注于算计存钱来这花。多花心思了解怎么在加拿大干上一份工作(不过没来估计也是白费劲)。有了工作一切好说。没有工作带再多的钱也过得很窝囊。

2，你LG正是得益于世界工厂的转移。你那里汽车相关行业多兴旺就意味着这里的同行以同样的速度衰落。好好珍惜你们现在的生活。到这里，你多半没机会再从事同样的工作，连在汽车工厂当劳工都没资格。理由简单的说:如果你是洋人老板，你会冒险雇佣一个才从中国来的人当项目负责人。本土资深人士一大把等着呢?

3，温莎吧更适合面向当地生活的华人包括学生。你可以在此了解很多具体生活信息。但关于移民这样的宏观问题，你在51等其它加拿大华人网站能得到更多的知识。你的移民计划首先要解决为什么一定要移民，而不是只冲着温莎来的。

4，如果把钱计划好了(吃的用的买车买房)，过渡时间安排好了(一年两年)，英语恶补了一下。就觉得准备好移民了。那是危险的想法! 我认为
决心和毅力才是最重要的。就算没钱，不会英语，只要有生存下去的勇气，不一定要有计划，这样的人明天就可以来这里开始生活。
加拿大是给有这样心态的“闯关东”的中国人准备的！

[quote]原帖由 [i]bbx2000[/i] 于 2006-11-19 18:00 发表
那个考虑移民的上海妹妹:

1，生活费用不是大问题。要活下来不难，无非是生活层次问题。中国人不会在这儿饿死冻死，营养不良都难。(可能会闷死) 所以不要太专注于算计存钱来这花。多花心思了解怎么在加拿大干 ... [/quote]

比较赞同这位雄的想法，当然也不排除许多的中国人同样也是过的不错的。。许多的兄弟们给我作了榜样。
但是，前面有位在上海还能吃一元钱五个馒头的兄弟，我倒是感觉他如果来的话，可能会比较有吃苦耐劳的基础。
也真是够狠，上海也能吃到这馒头，你在那里住？？以后我也搬那边去住去了。。。。^_^

移民 or not  is case by case.
Hard to say indivially by others.
To me it's best choice I ever had. :)

[quote]原帖由 [i]qgq99[/i] 于 2006-11-18 17:52 发表



for the job, maybe I can give you some info. only for reference. I am receiving some training about vehicle in Windsor now. as I got from my Canadia colleague , it's hard , much , very ...t ... [/quote]

谢谢你给我们的宝贵信息，GGG999！

我们才刚申请，我先生的规划是想去美国读名校的MBA，然后再找China project transfer相关的工作．项目管理,营运管理是他的方向. 跟纯技术还是有所区别.

因为之前他曾分别在春,秋,冬季到Ann Arbor出差, 并留下了非常好的印象, 所以特别希望能有机会去密西根大学学习, 进一步完善自已.

带家人去那边生活. 也是他的梦想!   

选择温莎是因为临近美国, 而且也是属汽车产业的周边. 不晓得这条路是否能走得通?!

[quote]原帖由 [i]bbx2000[/i] 于 2006-11-19 16:27 发表
干汽车的真的在这好找工作吗? 我不了解，不过凭感觉来这想继续当工程师的会失望的。或许跟汽车彻底没关系的行业才好找工作。

如果痛恨上海的喧闹，那就来这吧。否则还是上海好。 [/quote]

虽然喧闹,但还不至于痛恨. 因为从小生活在上海, 想趁年轻,可以有选择的时候, 换个地方生活一下.

[quote]原帖由 [i]bbx2000[/i] 于 2006-11-19 18:00 发表
那个考虑移民的上海妹妹:

1，生活费用不是大问题。要活下来不难，无非是生活层次问题。中国人不会在这儿饿死冻死，营养不良都难。(可能会闷死) 所以不要太专注于算计存钱来这花。多花心思了解怎么在加拿大干 ... [/quote]

还真就没有"闯关东"的心态. 但会花一部分时间来多方调查, 做好准备. 该调整的还是应当调整.

正因为珍惜生活, 才想在有生之年, 有条件的情况下来次"洋插队".   在这里谢谢大家所提供的切身感受, 能让我了解一些片断.:bye:

Thanks a lot for my lovely wife. She really cares me a lot!

Actually, we have discussed much about the purpose of this immigration to Canda.

As I know, it is not easy for the first generation. Or I can say it is very hard for the first generation.
Though by living in Shanghai, it can bring me a good income.  And if I want to be rich, to stay in China is enough.
---But it is called "Make a living" not "Make a life".
I do not want my whole life like this.

I want to use this chance to change something in my normal life pattern-- "Office--home--Office".
I hope can use these several years when I am living Canada, while I am not too old,  to think and find out a new meaning of my life, not a "just-finacial-oriented-life".

--Thanks for everyone who support us. And also, pls kindly continue to providing more information about your life in Canada.
--I am very interested in the nature, folk-custom, educations and hobbies of Canadians.

Best Regards!

By  Alex_Dong
(it is "Real" Alex_Dong this time, not his lovely and beautiful wife. )

[[i] 本帖最后由 alexdong 于 2006-11-21 02:14 编辑 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]alexdong[/i] 于 2006-11-21 00:50 发表


谢谢你给我们的宝贵信息，GGG999！

我们才刚申请，我先生的规划是想去美国读名校的MBA，然后再找China project transfer相关的工作．项目管理,营运管理是他的方向. 跟纯技术还是有所区别.

因为之前他 ... [/quote]
呵呵，在这里，语言还是第一位的，培训归培训，如果要是我没准也想跑美国去呢，我没有别的意思，就是让你们一定要有心理准备，许多的中国人，在国内混的并不差，可是来到异地有各种因素制约，可能会遇到工作，转型等各个方面的问题，不坏，可也只能算马马虎虎，。。应该各有各得好，是不了。。
我和你们小两口同龄，提前预定一下，那天你老公做运营ＧＭ去了，想着我这边还有个技术总监呢，呵呵呵。。

[quote]原帖由 [i]qgq99[/i] 于 2006-11-22 21:05 发表

呵呵，在这里，语言还是第一位的，培训归培训，如果要是我没准也想跑美国去呢，我没有别的意思，就是让你们一定要有心理准备，许多的中国人，在国内混的并不差，可是来到异地有各种因素制约，可能会遇到工作， ... [/quote]

侬好, GGG! 你是在那边工作还是学习呢?

与新移民只要能找到专业工作, 不用做labour就已经非常不错的现实来比, 我们的想法确实比较理想化. 不过, 我支持老公往这个方向发展.

目前来说, 我觉得汽车零部件公司比GM更有机会.

回复 #37 alexdong 的帖子

在这边培训，可也算是工作，是拿着培训的名头在工作，这个陈述相对比较复杂，资产阶级没办法呀，:knock:
阿拉现在是相当的不爽呀，好是无聊。。。
发现和你老公。。，哈哈，那你们一定给预留个技术总监呀，我是搞汽车零部件产品开发滴。。。嗯。。不行，技术太累了，还是给你们去作采购和供应商开发吧，平时还有回扣拿，钞票是大大的呀。:amative: 真是俗气，谈谈就谈到钞票上去了。哈哈。。

撒辰光起额？自嘎好开车子了伐？要赚钞票, 侬就快点回来, 呵呵.

正常反应. 无论在哪里, 如果下班后没有朋友, 没有约会，一个人在家里都会无聊的.  

你不去教堂的? 那边有义工做吗? 如果是我, 我想在业余时间去做点义工.

这的生活比国内要平淡. 有人喜欢,有人不喜欢.
太太们喜欢.先生们不一定 :)

[quote]原帖由 [i]windsorland[/i] 于 2006-11-28 12:53 发表
这的生活比国内要平淡. 有人喜欢,有人不喜欢.
太太们喜欢.先生们不一定 :) [/quote]

I am a guy and I am alright for a quiet life.

The life in Windsor will totally depend on what you are looking for here!

No one can get you a perfect answer.